Sing For Change. Sing For Our Dear Leader.

Email Print posted by KenTX 10/06/2008 01:04:31 AM EST

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Check out this clip.

Somebody put it together as a joke, but it’s so damn close to the truth that it really isn’t funny.

I realize you liberals will have a hard time understanding this point of view, but believe me when I tell you that Obama looks exactly like this to conservatives.
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Sing For Change. Sing For Our Dear Leader. | 72 comments (72 topical, 0 hidden)
This is what you came up with? (none / 0)
Try watching Saturday Night Live

Hey why aren't you pasting endless graphs of poll numbers lately?  

Rove says things look pretty bleak for McBush. And since you consider him a genius..he must be right huh.

You conservatives don't get allot of things obviously humor is one of them.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/06/2008 02:27:28 AM EST

the newest "in " thing for Repubs (none / 0)
You and Bobo both came up with a similar thing/video within the same 1-2 hours. Is this the new "in" attack? To compare him to bad guys? I am actually slightly stunned that you are attempting to step back and show us how conservatives view Obama.

My question is, how does the US military factor into  this? Should we also be afraid of our well organized military? They chant stuff, and walk in step with each other etc...

Forces of evil can be inspired just as well as forces of good, I don't see why this is shocking anyone. How is this any different than a Yoga class or cheerleaders or a defensive line in football or line dancing?

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/06/2008 02:53:52 AM EST

Oh I thought it was a joke (none / 0)
It was so stupid I thought it was a joke. Thats why I posted watch Saturday Night Live.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/06/2008 02:59:13 AM EST

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Uh Oh! Watch out! (none / 0)
Northwestern may be out to get us, those communists with their marching and chanting. They are clearly marching straight to Washington to take over the White House and impose their facist regime upon us!

Y

And did you see their fight song? Sounds shady!

ALL RISE JANE ADDAMS.
PROUD AND FAIR AND FINE.
BLUE AND WHITE OUR COLORS,
WE WILL CHEER YOU ALL THE TIME
RAH! RAH! RAH!
STAND LOYAL MUSTANGS
STANDUP PROUD AND TALL
SPREAD FAR THE FAME OF OUR FAIR NAME.
RISE JANE ADDAMS TO OUR CALL!

sounds seperatist...

by chrisandyasemin on 10/06/2008 03:03:58 AM EST

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KenTX Ignoramus Par Excellence (none / 0)
It is insulting to read your stupidity spewed on this page.  I spent a year of my life looking across this border listening to the propaganda in the freezing snow and monsoon rains.  Food shortages on the other side were so severe acts of canabalism were reported.  N. Korea is basically one big prison state surrounded by the largest mine field in the world and rivers/oceans.  Prison is exactly where the Bush criminal mafia belongs btw.  This is what the Corporate Socialists(Republicans) create everytime they bail out fat-cat failures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/List_of_North_Korean_comp anies

by sfinneganus on 10/06/2008 03:57:20 AM EST

This is starting to go mainstream... (none / 0)
i guess this you tube phenomenon rolls both ways - not only can the Obamabots make their voices heard, they can also show their true colors for their annointed "Dear Leader"...

Scary shit that someone would even joke like this... Hitler is smiling somewhere...

"Alpha Omega" Baby...

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=rUEQz5dltmI

:)

by bobo1 on 10/06/2008 09:37:13 AM EST

Dear Leader...Hitler??? (none / 1)
Are you fucking insane?  Are you seriously trying to start this argument...yawn...

Oh what's this??  Going mainstream?  If you want to talk about extremists that "drink the kool-aid"...

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/06/2008 10:31:03 AM EST

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Bush fans (none / 0)
  This has to be one of the most spine chilling things I have ever seen. This is some scary shit. Furthermore, is this Church paying taxes? I'll just bet you their not, looks like a crime taking place here. I usually would have some serious ass chewing to do, but this just leaves me to disgusted to say anymore.

by jrewing1 on 10/11/2008 10:16:44 AM EST

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you gotta see the movie! (none / 0)

by desertpear on 10/12/2008 02:00:58 AM EST

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hey bobo the clown (none / 0)
I could give a rats ass if Hitler is smiling or shitting or eating cheerios somewhere. As long as Obama wins.. and he is . You are still voting for him right?? snicker

by Chinese Democracy on 10/06/2008 12:39:08 PM EST

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A little Black History (none / 0)
What you saw in the video is called "stepping".  This is part of black culture that you are probably not too familiar with.  This is something that blacks have been since they were in africa.  This sort of synchronized dance/chant tradition has NOTHING to do with Obama, and the video you saw was probably practice so the kids could put on a show.  Stepping is often used with youth to demonstrate that they can memorize body movements, and internalize positive messages. If you listen to the words those people said, EVERYTHING was positive.  It only takes ONE idiot to take that video out of cultural context and try to make it look "militant".  

Alpha Omega = Fraternity

Oh us crazy black folks and our synchronized dancing...oh wait, what's that you say?  we've obtained footage of the local indiana militia in their combat training?  Let's roll it.

by chrisandyasemin on 10/06/2008 10:44:45 AM EST

I feel better Chris (none / 0)
I tried to explain stepping.  Maybe now that you have, people will believe it.

by ProfRich on 10/06/2008 12:12:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
KKKenTX (none / 0)
is a drive by spammer. Hes moved on to the next smear he will get in his conservative news letters

by Chinese Democracy on 10/06/2008 12:41:00 PM EST

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It's called "indoctrination". (none / 0)
When you take a bunch of young children and teach them to sing songs praising a political figure, it's called brain washing indoctrination.

It happened in Hitler's Germany.
It happened in Mao's China.
It happened in Saddam's Iraq.
It happened in Stalin's Soviet Union.
It happened in Pol Pot's Cambodia.
It happened in Kim Jung Il's North Korea.

The fact that you people think the activity in the video is a good thing speaks volumes to your belief system.

You will win the election in four weeks. Enjoy your moment in the sun. I guarantee there will be enormous political blowback from freedom loving Americans. We will get more than even in 2010.

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 02:11:40 AM EST

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It happens in Jesus Camp (none / 0)

Or did you miss that movie?  Here is the clip I'm talking about. 

Ken ken ken, these are just kids being motivated by a hero and role model.  It's hardly brain washing.  At least they aren't speaking in tongues.  You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.  People sing patriotic songs every day.  They pledge allegiance to the flag. 

If Obama wins, doesn't that mean there are an awful lot of Americans that want what he has to offer?  That is the truth you seem to be forgetting.  AND, aren't we ready to heal some of the division and partisanship that has gripped this country?  I'm sick to death of it.  What is this "get even" bullshit?  Spewing such hatred. 

by desertpear on 10/07/2008 05:23:38 AM EST

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Never saw Jesus Camp (none / 0)
AND, aren't we ready to heal some of the division and partisanship that has gripped this country?

Division and partisanship have been a part of the political landscape since George Washington hit the road after two terms. Don't fool yourself into thinking Obama is superhuman. Partisanship and acrimony are here to stay.

by Twba on 10/07/2008 09:27:24 AM EST

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I don't neccessarily agree (none / 0)

There have been at least two periods where the dissenters were seriously a minority: 1800-1824 and 1930-1946.

but, of course, hard partisan rifts are fairly normal.

by ProfRich on 10/07/2008 10:02:09 AM EST

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Do thyself this favor (none / 0)
See Jesus Camp.  It's the best evidence yet that Christ favors the bemulletted.

by OneHitKill on 10/07/2008 12:39:00 PM EST

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yes, that's true (none / 0)
But Americans are particularly sick of it right now.  McCain and Palin are using a losing strategy by being hyper-partisan at this time.  

I have never thought Obama is superhuman at all.  I just believe he has integrity, based on his acts, not his words.

by desertpear on 10/08/2008 01:14:03 AM EST

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SuperObama (none / 0)
He is all words. He has never done anything.

by Twba on 10/08/2008 01:58:23 AM EST

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nothing? (none / 0)
really?  well, that's an accomplishment in itself, as it hardly seems physically possible to become a senator without doing anything.

But whatever.  It's not like this argument is going anywhere.

by desertpear on 10/08/2008 02:05:13 AM EST

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Nada (none / 0)
I suspect you are knowledgeable and smart enough to know how Obama became a senator. He knocked everyone off the ballot and ran unopposed for a state senate seat. He leaked info to the right people to get his opponent to drop out of the race for the US Senate. The inept Republicans in Illinois substituted a lunatic in place of the guy who dropped out. Obama defeated Alan Keyes. That's nothing.

by Twba on 10/08/2008 06:37:25 AM EST

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hehe (none / 0)
Twba: I created the piano-key neck-tie! I CREATED IT! What has Barack Obama done? NOTHING

NOTHING!
thank you.

y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/12/2008 02:01:07 AM EST

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Hey, Asshole (none / 0)
Get back to me when you've got the lab results confirming Trig's mother's identity.

by Twba on 10/13/2008 01:00:35 AM EST

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Question for Chris, Rich, Pear (none / 0)
Imagine if just prior to the Iraqi War, a public school teacher in Missouri had his 12 year old students dressing in para-military uniforms, marching in unison, and chanting "Hail Bush", "Hail Our Leader"! 

Then imagine a school teacher in California tea ching her seven year old students to sing songs praising "George W Bush, Our Dear Leader". Normally, seven year old kids would be interested in Hannah Montana, not George Bush or Barack Obama.

Would you be uncomfortable with this?

God Camp? God School? That's private religion. I'm not interested in anybody's religion. That's their dig, not mine. I don't care if they teach religion to their kids. That's a private matter.

But when you take children in a taxpayer funded public school and indoctrinate them, teaching to learn to love a political leader, well that's slightly scary.   

I'm actually much more concerned by your position on this issue, than by the crazy teachers leading the indoctrination.

If a Democrat controlled Congress passed "Fairness Doctrine" laws that forced Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly off the airwaves, you folks would have no problem whatsoever.

If the Supreme Court had ruled in favor of DC in Heller v DC, outlawing the Second Amenedment, you folks would have no problem whatsoever.

You guys pay lip service to the Bill of Rights, but you really don't give a damn. Your objective is a socialist takeover of America. 

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 01:55:03 PM EST

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socialists (none / 0)
"Your objective is a socialist takeover of America."

Actually, it's not my objective at all.  But I would like to see Americans able to get health care, like other modern nations.  I guess that is too much to ask.  

by desertpear on 10/07/2008 04:56:50 PM EST

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My professional opinion (none / 0)

Here is what I think as a teacher.

Its a charter school, not a public school, so a lot of this makes no sense.  In fact, I hate charter schools and would point out this is an argument against school privatization, i.e. vouchers.

I have no problem with step, per se.  If the kids came up with this concept and scripted it, good for them and I am fine with the teacher.

If the teacher pushed this concept and scripted it, that is problematic.

When it happened is important.  If it was during a before or after school extracurricular activity, the guy is fine (for the routine at least.)  If it was during class time, the guy should be reprimanded at least. There are all kinds of after-school activities that have politicized undertones.  Fellowship of Christian Athletes comes to mind.  Almost every school I have ever seen serves as at least one church on Sunday.  My classroom is a church group meeting room four nights a week.

As for looking only at Obama's economic plan, I wouldn't do it that way as I try very hard to present balance.  So much so that there are long and fierce debates among my students as to who I am voting for.  I don't think this is enough to get him in trouble, though.

The thing that will get him fired is posting the kids on the ol' series of tubes.  Parents are funny about who is looking at their kids and using these images like this without parent consent is a big deal.

 

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 01:07:50 AM EST

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Ken is absolutely correct (none / 0)
We need to get rid of all them communist cheerleaders with their chants and dances, and churches with their flocks all acting socialist and stuff.

Oh, and boybands, they are a--ney--THE major threat to American society, with their synchronized dances and HARMONIZING songs.

Just look at what the Spice Girls did to Brittain, 10 years later they still haven't recovered from the turmoil and chaos those women inflicted upon the good people of England.

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/12/2008 02:06:51 AM EST

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"getting even in 2010" (none / 0)
Means going to the polls and voting against socialism.

You see, every four years, there is a presidential election. And between the presidential elections, we have something called a "mid term" election. The next one is scheduled for the first week in November of 2010.

The country has followed this election pattern since the 1780s. I'm surprised you're just now hearing about it.

Let me know if you require further explanation. I will try to be as patient as possible until you get it.

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 02:18:59 PM EST

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I require further explanation (none / 0)

What exactly are you predicting in 2010?

Let's say there are 58 Democratic Senators going it to 2010.  Let's say there are 246 Dem Congressmen.

19 GOP senate seats are up, one will be the seat of retiring Senator Brownback.  15 Dem seats are up, there is some speculation Dodd will retire.

So define this rout?  How much does the GOP have to gain to fulfill your prophecy?  I am assuming they at least have to gain control of both houses so that would be 9 senate pickups and 26 in the house.  Or are you going higher?

Illuminate us, Ken.

by ProfRich on 10/07/2008 03:33:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Are you saying (none / 0)
in 2010 that 19 GOP Senate seats are up, and 15 Dem seats are up?


Please be accurate. Don't make me stop this car!

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 03:41:58 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Thats what Wikipedia says (none / 0)

What is your count?

by ProfRich on 10/07/2008 11:55:22 PM EST

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I guess you're right? (none / 0)
Which Governors will replace Byrd, Kennedy, Johnson and the other clowns from Jurasic Park?

by KenTX on 10/09/2008 03:54:41 AM EST

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I can't account for imaginary retirements (none / 0)

If any of those folks, or any others, don't make it two more years that will change the dynamic.

Ted seems like he won't but Duval Patrick is a Dem so no change.

John Manchin is a Dem so Byrd would cause no change.

Tim Johnson could switch if SD governor Michael Rounds got to pick a replacement but remember sometimes governors have the integrity to honor the voters wishes and keep the seat with the elected party, so we will see.

Of course, theoretically, any Senator can be replaced in the next two years.

I suppose each of those would add one Democratic Senator to the list running for (special) election).

Kennedy is irrelevant in this discussion because that seat will stay Dem.  Whether Byrd's legacy or Johnson's potential tragedy will matter is unknown but those seats would be heavily contested. 

And let's not forget to add if Stevens gets reelected he has a good shot not to make it to 2010.  Coleman might not survive two years if he wins either.

by ProfRich on 10/09/2008 11:04:21 AM EST

[ Parent ]
getting even in 2010 (none / 0)
Markos Moulitsas did an analysis of 2010 today and pretty much blows your theory of "getting even" out of the water.  You might have to wait until 2012.

by desertpear on 10/07/2008 05:32:51 PM EST

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Aren't you assuming something? (none / 0)

Every step group I have been around (which would be about 5) writes their own stuff.

You are assuming that someone else, according to you someone connected to Obama, is making the kids say these things, like the cons in Jesus Camp.

Do you have any evidence of that?  Ask Chris.  That would be unusual for a step group.

Here's a little tip, Ken: You have no idea what you are talking about on this issue because you don't know shit about black culture.

Cue Ken claiming to be black

by ProfRich on 10/07/2008 07:59:45 AM EST

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The facts are surfacing. (none / 0)
"You are assuming that someone else, according to you someone connected to Obama, is making the kids say these things."

According to me, a public school teacher is promoting this activity, and he is in a bunch of trouble.

You and bobo are in a better position to comment on this matter than the rest of us.

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 02:27:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
oh my (none / 0)
then the world is indeed going to end.  There are teachers teaching creationism in public schools too.

by desertpear on 10/07/2008 04:59:12 PM EST

[ Parent ]
just because he promoted the activity (none / 0)
doesn't mean that he wrote the kid's words.  I will concede that indoctrinating youth with one particular view in a public school is beyond limits, but first, this is a "CHARTER" school, so it is not necessarily public, it just means public funds can be used by children to go to these schools, as well as privately funded children.  Second, these kids say NOTHING about "love, hail, praise, or anything remotely close to Submitting" to Obama.  If you read the whole article, nothing has actually been done to that teacher yet.  So to say "he's in trouble" merely means that this situation is being looked it. It hasn't been declared that this guy is "wrong" yet, but you're conflating "indoctrination" with "stepping", and whether you want to believe it or not the fact that people are proud of a candidate for the first time in their lives and want to wear his face on a shirt, doesn't mean that they are fanatic "hitler youth".  It just means that for the past 43 presidents, the people haven't really liked the Pres. enough to wear him.  

Obama can only be president for 8 years...We're not electing a dictator Ken.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/07/2008 05:24:00 PM EST

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you guys are ducking the question (none / 0)
You've been screaming about Jesus Camp for years in this forum. Those are parents teaching their kids to worship Jesus and W? I agree that stuff is whacky, but those parents are indoctrinating their own kids. But you aren't equally outraged by teachers brainwashing kids in school. That's called hypo-chris-y.

by KenTX on 10/07/2008 05:45:15 PM EST

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Yeah (none / 0)

Stop all the screaming about Jesus Camp already!  My ears are bleeding!

Wait, what...?

by Spencer on 10/07/2008 06:05:10 PM EST

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really? (none / 0)
We've been screaming about jesus camp for years??

If this is a charter school, and a project the kids probably decided on themselves, I don't give a rat's ass.  Funny, I just don't fear it, and I wouldn't even if it was a McCain stepping dance, which would admittedly look pretty stupid.

Smells like desperation to me, and since both you and bobo posted the same stuff within hours or days of each other, it reeks of Rush Limbaugh.  

If it's so heinous, why isn't it being reported anywhere but on your right-wing shows?  eh?

by desertpear on 10/08/2008 01:18:27 AM EST

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The reason it isn't anywhere else (none / 0)

Is because it just appears bad on the surface.

When you crack it open it is about charter schools which cons love, its at best unclear who wrote the script, if it was the kids, who cares?  It is also unclear if it was during class time or extracurricular.  Religious organizations have fought tooth and nail to keep Christian organizations in school after hours so they would look pretty stupid going after this.  Many schools, for example, have a teacher sponsor a Young Republicans or Young Democrats organization.  Its all within the rules.

This is why no real news organization cares about it.  There's no story here, just some young black men getting involved in politics and a couple of impotent racists who squirm and tremble at any display of black power or pride.

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 10:17:49 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Go global for objective news. (none / 0)
"This is why no real news organization cares about it."

I find the foreign press generally more objective, because they aren't controlled by partisan editors and publishers.

Here are some examples:
UK Telegraph
Chicago Sun Times
UK Daily Mail
UK Guardian
Washington Post

by KenTX on 10/08/2008 10:49:34 AM EST

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Let me clarify (none / 0)

I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't a news story.  Trust me, no one knows more than I that when something controversial happens in a school, people are going to cover it!

I have been in schools that have had at least three stories make statewide news and one make national news.

My point was it didn't have any real relevance to the campaign.  Obama or anyone affiliated with him had nothing to do with it and its unclear exactly which part is objectionable.

Non-teachers may not get this, but I am guessing posting videos of these kids, regardless of what they are doing, is the biggest threat to the guys job.  Parents are funny about images of their kids being put out in public without parental consent.

And I am also quick to point out that what this guy did was extremely stupid.  He had to know this could cause trouble.  I know there is no rule against me introducing my political affiliation in class but I don't do it as a matter of principle (and hypercaution that is required to be a teacher these days).  Near as I can tell this is what happens when you privatize schools: under paid, under qualified jerkoffs with no supervision do stupid shit and kids end up having to wade through news trucks to get into their classes.  It sucks.  I know.

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 11:06:39 AM EST

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You are doubly correct. (none / 0)
"I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't a news story."

1. It is a news story.

2. The mainstream press is not covering it, even though it is a news story.

The press has been giving Obama a pass since early on in the primaries.

Can you imagine if in 2000 or 2004, it had been discovered that GWB's pastor of 20 years routinely preached hatred of America from the pulpit? Now THAT would be a news story the press covered.

by KenTX on 10/08/2008 11:37:09 AM EST

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Here is what you are missing (none / 0)

What the hell does this have to do with Obama?

If you think this is a news story and is somehow a reflection on Obama you must be outraged that the McPalin ticket is being destroyed in the press for promoting the assassination of Obama as some jerkoff in the crowd at one of their rallies demanded.

What is the difference?

These guys are black?

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 11:55:09 AM EST

[ Parent ]
singing obama kids (none / 0)
They were headliners on the Obama Campaign website until people like me started asking "WTF?". I cringed when I saw the Jesus Camp video. I thought it was a put-on. I was embarrassed by their support for Bush, but since they are teaching religion, what can you do? The point I'm trying to make is that liberalism is the religion of The Left.

by KenTX on 10/08/2008 01:04:57 PM EST

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Featured on Obama's website? (none / 0)

Could you show me some evidence of that?

I don't believe you.

 

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 01:14:50 PM EST

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Rich doubts me. (none / 0)
"I don't believe you."

They had it up, but they took it down.

by KenTX on 10/09/2008 03:50:02 AM EST

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You did it again, Ken (none / 0)

That thing where you either don't read or don't comprehend the articles you link to.

First off, this is just some jerkoff's blog, not a news source.

Second, the guy just refers to it being on YouTube.

Then he alludes to his earlier speculation that Obama had it pulled from YouTube (which is unfounded) and then even this guy acknowledges it probably wasn't Obama.

I suppose the big damning piece of evidence is that a reader posted about it on the message board.  Dun-dun duh!   Well, I am certainly not voting for Obama now.  Someone posted something I didn't like on his message board!

That would be like holding Cenk accountable for bobo's racial screeds.  It would be like holding Jayar to task for acroso's grammar, or Dave for your illiteracy.

In short, it's stupid.

Next time, when you try to pimp one of your idiotic Rush induced lies, recognize when you have been beaten down.  It will work out a lot better than just making up another lie, as you did here.

by ProfRich on 10/09/2008 12:16:46 PM EST

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Let me see if I can follow Rich. (none / 0)
"I suppose the big damning piece of evidence is that a reader posted about it on the message board."

So a participant mentioned it on the Obama campaign website message board, and the moderator/editor took it down. Why did they take it down? Is it because indoctrination of young children on political issues is creepy and troubling?

by KenTX on 10/11/2008 02:35:50 AM EST

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You still don't get it, do you? (none / 0)

You said the video was featured on Obama's site.  Then you show us a post from some guy who references it being mentioned in the comments on Obama's site.

The point of the discussion was that this was just some teacher with bad judgment. It is totally unrelated to the Obama campaign.

You lied.  You lost.  Its over.

by ProfRich on 10/12/2008 01:30:20 AM EST

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Hey peabrain, (none / 1)
the message that the Obama Campaign deleted from their website referenced the Obama singing kids, not the Obama goosestepping kids.

Your inability to follow the facts is your problem, not mine.

by KenTX on 10/12/2008 01:43:29 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Huh? (none / 0)

You said Obama featured the step kids on his website.  You failed to prove it.

End of discussion.

by ProfRich on 10/12/2008 02:12:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Ken beatdown on Rich count is now 24,958. (none / 0)



Thank you for playing. As always, your consolation prize is two Bayer aspirin.

by KenTX on 10/12/2008 03:27:31 PM EST

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This has only been on Right Wing media outlets (none / 0)

Just like the guy who wrote on his board:

Can you
Help
A
Nigger
Get
Elected

is only on left wing media, because neither one is a substantive issue or represent the candidates themselves.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 10/08/2008 12:11:14 PM EST

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I'll bet dollars to donuts.... (none / 0)
the teacher who did that was a coach.

by ProfRich on 10/08/2008 01:00:53 PM EST

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%100 right (none / 0)
We're being accused of ducking the question, and somehow ken tries to tie Rev. Wright into the "obama kids" post.  I'm glad the world is back to normal.  ken is spouting his garbage, and nobody really cares.  I think he's just jealous that no one really likes republican presidents, they can just "hate" the democrat.

Chris

p.s.
are you saying that black people aren't justified in their distaste for American history/government...that's just ignorant

How are you going to say a man who came up during the civil rights movement isn't allowed to not like America.  His church was a known multi-racial congregation, so apparently his attitude wasn't racially motivated, rather truly motivated from his American experience. Let me say this again ken, MULTI RACIAL CONGREGATION... How can you have a black seperatist church that has white people in it?  Also, you're really ignoring the atrocities that America has committed.  Are you going to deny that America committed genocide against Native Americans too, and that Native Americans should just "get over it"?  
What about that Ken?

by chrisandyasemin on 10/08/2008 02:23:57 PM EST

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A multiracial congregation, (none / 0)
consisting of people who hate America, or people who dislike America with a strong distaste for America, as you prefer. And I don't recall discussing race. I like Rev Wright orders of magnitude more than Father Phlegm. But let me see if I understand your rules. The U.S. Government was mean to blacks, browns, reds, and confederate rebs, so their descendents have a right to hate America? Well, I have Mexican ancestry, Cherokee ancestry, and confederate ancestry, and yet I don't hate America, because America never did anything to me but give me opportunity. I got over it. How 'bout you?

by KenTX on 10/08/2008 11:45:37 PM EST

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one more thing (none / 0)
My Cherokee ancestors were forced to walk the Trail of Tears and live in bondage on reservations in Oklahoma. They intermarried with white cowboys and ranchers. If they remained in TN, they would have married hillbillies, so I figure I made out on the deal. Have you ever considered what would have happened if your ancestors had not been brought to America in bondage?

by KenTX on 10/09/2008 12:09:05 AM EST

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even one more thing (none / 0)
My Leal ancestors owned all of downtown San Antonio at one time, so somebody owes me a HUGE compensatory payment. Chris, the more I think about your bullshit whining and complaining, the more pissed off I'm getting. You need to shut the hell up and count your blessings.

by KenTX on 10/09/2008 12:19:38 AM EST

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We know why you are really pissed (none / 0)
link

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 10/09/2008 12:23:29 AM EST

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there you go again (none / 0)
being a racist asshole...

Have you ever considered what would have happened if your ancestors had not been brought to America in bondage?

fuck you for that one

you assume because I'm black, that MY ancestors came here as slaves...I got news for you buddy, my ancestors came over here on the fucking Santa Maria.  My ancestors intermarried with Blackfoot Indians...I have fucking RED HAIR...I was never WHINING...you just assumed that because I was simply explaining why some people feel justified in their anger.  You're going as far as to say that us black people are LUCKY because our ancestors got SOLD by other stupid ass africans to stupid ass westerners who still believed in owning other people...yeah, some luck ken...and now we get blamed for a mortgage crisis, when a bunch of rich assholes took out mortgages that they now can't pay either...the problem is in Miama and LA, not the ghettos...but no, now it's not okay to dissent in America, you have to like everything you get...FUCK THAT...I AM AMERICA, and if you want to give me some Trail of tears bullshit, you can eat that...you spout racist bullshit all the time, and then you always throw out your fucking "mexican" roots...BULLSHIT...don't talk about your heritage if you're going to be a racist, because you can't play both cards...look I can fucking Hate america, AND live here, because that's what the fucking constitution allows me to do, and if you don't like it, you can GET OUT...

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/11/2008 01:37:40 AM EST

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Let me clarify (none / 0)
I love America for what it is, but I am allowed to hate it for what it has done.  It's like a bitch mother who orphaned her kid, it's still your mother.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/11/2008 01:51:49 AM EST

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Man, you said it! (none / 0)
You say the Constitution allows you to live in America, and yet still hate your country. That's a true statement. In fact, that's exactly the point I've been making about liberals in this forum for more than four years.

But I don't have to respect Americans who hate their country. And as a Mexican-Indian-Anglo-Americ an, with Japanese-American cousins and Chinese-American cousins, I don't have to respect people who still want to complain about stupid shit that happened 200 years ago.

It doesn't matter to me if you're a Melungeon or a Jefferson. You need to get with the freakin program, and get on board the Love Train just like everybody else.

The rest of us got over it. You need to get over it also. I'm certainly not about to make your problem into my problem. 

Here's a news flash for you: After Barack Obama is elected president, there are officially no more excuses allowed for anyone. It's time to sink or swim. It's time to quit looking backward and start looking forward.

Are you enjoying receiving this little pep talk as much as I'm enjoying giving it to you?

by KenTX on 10/11/2008 02:19:10 AM EST

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you're still not getting it (none / 0)
Forgetting history makes you repeat it.  Have you fucking forgotten that this financial meltdown is not the first time this exact same thing has happened.  It's because the American public forgot what the depression was like, so now we are on our way again...You can't move forward if you don't know what's behind you Ken...As far as a pep talk...If I needed to get motivated by you, I wouldn't be where I am today...READ WHAT I FUCKING SAID KEN, your dodging of my assertions that I'm not complaining is really annoying.  You can't discern between "complaining", and "observing".  I never said that I wanted reparations, or any BULLSHIT like that.  You're just mad because I have the balls to talk about the bad parts of American history and call America out.  I bet if you were German, you'd be saying that the Jews just need to get over the holocaust, and MOVE ON...

Fucking retarded shit Ken, seriously

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/11/2008 01:44:35 PM EST

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How is this ducking a question (none / 0)
I will concede that indoctrinating youth with one particular view in a public school is beyond limits, but first, this is a "CHARTER"

You just showed me that you don't actually read anything I write...

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/08/2008 02:48:59 AM EST

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awwww KKIKenTX is showing (none / 0)
the softer side of being an ideologically blinded right wing troll.

What happened to all the Democrats love al queda stuff? etc etc etc.

What about the personal attacks on people that disagree with you?

is your blackberry running out of batteries?

You everyones pal now?

by Chinese Democracy on 10/08/2008 11:17:03 AM EST

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There is nothing new under the sun (none / 0)
We all come from Mother Africa--you can feel it when you are there.

1894, filmed by Thomas Edison

by desertpear on 10/12/2008 02:17:16 AM EST

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little fun fact (none / 0)
You might not know this ken because you seem pretty out of touch with black america...lots of black americans and black africans still have bad feelings today, especially nigerians and kenyans.  I'm not one of those people, but believe me, nigerians have the 1992 gangsta blood crip stereo type of us too.  Black Americans do complain alot, but I'm not one of those people.  Honestly, that pisses ME OFF, but I get it.  EVERYTHING IS NOT RACIST, and some blacks will argue with me on that one.  You may consider what I said "complaining", but it's literally something you will never understand because you didn't grow up black.  I was fortunate enough to get the 3rd wave of affirmative action, when it really isn't as necessary, so I put OTHER on college applications...yes, I didn't USE affirmative action.  We live in a society where blacks don't have to use affirmative action anymore, and it needs to be needs based.  So next time you go assuming that I'm complaining, shut up and fucking read my comment.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/11/2008 02:13:20 AM EST

let us never forget (none / 0)

by desertpear on 10/11/2008 04:34:11 AM EST

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