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Barack Obama announced Janet Napolitano as Secretary Designate for Homeland Security. Her job will be to protect the nation from illegal invaders who breach U.S. sovereignty, and perpetrate drug deals, kidnappings, human trafficking, brown slavery, entitlement fraud, and job theft.

In a press conference today, Janet Napolitano announced her vision of America’s future, and it looks something like this.
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As the Governor of Arizona, Janet Napolitano used to complain about a lack of action from the Bush Administration regarding control of the border. Now she has been designated as McGruff, The Border Guard.
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"But Napolitano opposes a border fence, supports expanding a controversial technology visa program and favors a “stringent pathway to citizenship.”
 
She has also vetoed a bill requiring voter ID, vetoed a bill requiring local law enforcement to enforce immigration law, and later vetoed another proposal to allow local sheriffs to enforce immigration law.
 
She also vetoed a bill prohibiting Mexican consul ID cards that critics say are prone to fraud, vetoed an English-only bill, and vetoed a bill to criminalize illegal immigration.
 
Napolitano’s tough rhetoric on enforcing immigration laws – often chastising the Bush administration for not doing enough – was rarely matched by her record, said Arizona state Rep. Russell Pearce, a Republican, who as chairman of the state House appropriations committee, wrote numerous immigration bills that were vetoed by the governor.
 
“She issued in 2005 a declaration of emergency, yet she has done nothing to really secure the border,” said Pearce, who was recently elected to the state Senate.
 
“The governor has done everything she can to be an open borders governor. If not for a supermajority in the House and the Senate and 80 percent of the public for it, she would not have signed the employer sanctions bills,” Pearce told CNSNews.com. “She was backed into a corner. Yet people continue to give her credit.”
 
Securing the border is a chief responsibility for the Homeland Security Department, which includes agencies such as the U.S. Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Napolitano’s state of Arizona has a 376-mile border with Mexico.
 
The governor has spoken several times about seeing first-hand the problems with drug smuggling, human trafficking and other crimes that result from poor border security.
 
In a speech on illegal immigration at the National Press Club in Washington in February 2007, Napolitano said she vetoed the legislation “I deemed overly harsh and ineffective.”
 
Then she said, “I declared a state of emergency and was the first governor to openly advocate for the National Guard at the border. Yet, I also have refused to agree that a wall by itself is the answer. As I often say, ‘you show me a 50-foot wall and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.”
  
In that same speech, she advocated a “pathway to citizenship” proposal that would require those here illegally to go to the back of the line, pay some back taxes and learn English. This is the same as the Bush administration-backed proposal, which was twice rejected by Congress after a public outcry from critics who considered the plan “amnesty.”
 
Concerning her likely future department, the governor said at the press club, “The failure to adequately control our borders reveals deep cracks in our Department of Homeland Security, unfairly affects states like mine that are on the border, and gives rise to ugly, unproductive, political rhetoric.”
 
Judicial Watch, a conservative public interest group, called Napolitano out for her support of expanding the H1-B Work Visa program. The program allows a maximum of 65,000 professionals in “special occupations” valuable to the U.S. economy to get a visa. 
 
Last year, Napolitano asked congressional leaders to expand the number of H1-B visas issued by 20,000. Her request was joined in a letter by the governors of Washington, California, Indiana, Colorado, Massachusetts, Wyoming, New York, Wisconsin, Kansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Texas.
  
But the visa program is wrought with fraud, according to a report last month from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. The report said foreign workers forge documents, provide fake degrees and phony U.S. companies with phony locations. Further, the report said one in five H1-B visas is affected by fraud or other technical violations.
 
“She has vetoed all sorts of enforcement measures,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton told CNSNews.com. “She was an early supporter of Barack Obama. It was a political decision. I don’t think she was a strong choice.”
 
The governor’s record is at best mixed, said Bob Kane, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
 
“The compelling thing about her running the Department of Homeland Security is that she won’t have the federal government to blame any more,” Kane told CNSNews.com. “Securing the country is the Department of Homeland Security’s mission. He has got the advantage of first-hand knowledge. I hope she will use that first-hand knowledge along with the resources of the Homeland Security Department.”
 
Several tough immigration measures became law in Arizona because of ballot measures. These ballot measures include denying in-state college tuition to illegal aliens, denying state benefits to illegal aliens, and denying punitive damages in lawsuits to illegal aliens.
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I for one am glad to be rid of Jane-O - she is a half closeted lesbian who talks big but doesn't do SHIT when it comes to securing our borders - Change my ass... Our incoming governor Jan Brewer will terrorize our school budgets, yes, but Jane-O has already fucked them over so much it won't make much of a difference at this point.

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 08:35:19 PM EST


on both Governor Napolitano and invasion of the U.S. by hordes of illegal aliens.

Do you really think she will reduce the flow of future Democrat families?

by KenTX on 12/01/2008 08:46:14 PM EST

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She cut education funding so she could give more money to the damn illegals in the first place! They are her bread and butter, and she sure as Hell isn't gonna do anything to stop them from coming - and for whoever the idiot was who said that they are going back - you really need to get a fucking clue - yeah they might be leaving Michigan and Ohio, but they are ending up right here in Texas and Arizona!!!

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 08:52:50 PM EST

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they are leaving. You just happen to live in the neck of the funnel.

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 09:05:24 PM EST

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They sure as Hell aint leaving here - I got 3 new kids this week, all illegals - all you gotta do is ask them where they came from and they turn white as a sheet and get really nervous - When I tell them its OK and I won't call Immigration, they are open and honest about it! They might be leaving due to no jobs, but they know when Obama comes in they're gonna get all that free welfare, so why shouldn't they stick around for a while! :)

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 09:12:42 PM EST

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They sure as Hell aint leaving here - I got 3 new kids this week, all illegals

Wow, you and your wife sure have been busy.

by OneHitKill on 12/01/2008 09:21:39 PM EST

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Don't be a dick, Jesse... How many illegals do the Japs allow there - yeah, that's what I thought...:)

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 09:31:03 PM EST

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Jessie, do you have papers!?!?

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 09:33:29 PM EST

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How many illegals do the Japs allow there - yeah, that's what I thought...:)

Spider Sense....tingling!  Oh wait, no.  That's not my Spider Sense.  That's my "Bobo doesn't know what the hell he's talking about" sense.

Why don't you actually find out the number of estimated illegal immigrants living in Japan before you try to "zing" me?  And remember, Japan is a country about the size of California, with triple the population.

You know what your students need?  A teacher.

by OneHitKill on 12/01/2008 09:55:29 PM EST

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Have always had very tight and strigent immigration laws - but since they allowed you in, I guess they have really lowered their standards - its too bad, Japan used to be a nice place to visit... Maybe I'll rephrase my question for your small mind - how do the Japs TREAT the illegal Koreans and Chinese who are living there? - Yeah, that's what I thought...

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 10:03:42 PM EST

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You say "rephrase," I say "change completely because I'm being made fun of."  But you're right.  Some Japanese treat Chinese and Koreans poorly.  They even call them nasty, racist names.  Sort of like that word "Japs" that you just used, you damn hypocrite.

Just curious, when did Japan "use to be a nice place to visit," in your mind?  300 years ago, when nobody of consequence spoke ANY English?  60 years ago, when everyone but the richest of the rich were living on boiled grasshoppers?  The level of multilingualism and tourist infrastructure is the highest it's ever been...and it's still not enough.  Japan is least tourist-friendly tourist destination I know.

by OneHitKill on 12/01/2008 10:16:09 PM EST

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"When did Japan "use to be a nice place to visit," in your mind?"
 
Just a few decades ago, when the Japanese forced Korean women into prostitution and called them "Comfort Girls"; and bayonetted babies in Nanking, China for practice; and enslaved the other Asian nations who were considered genetically inferior to the people of Japan.

They considered themselves a "Master Race", until they received a lesson in humility.
sign zee papers! 

by KenTX on 12/01/2008 11:31:21 PM EST

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Nice random lash-out.  Are you trying to help Bobo, or cripple him?

Incidentally, the "lesson in humility" you refer to was, by its nature, designed to subdue Japan's hawkish right-wing fringe (the country's equivalent of Republicans, if you will).  Does Japan still have a hawkish right-wing fringe today? Unfortunately, yes.  They drive around in black vans, playing war songs and bellowing belligerent rhetoric through megaphones.  They're like Texans, but with substantially larger genitals.

Damn!  We're out two nukes for nothin'!

by OneHitKill on 12/02/2008 12:32:17 PM EST

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Good thing you aren't racist or anything.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 12/01/2008 11:49:42 PM EST

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Black president or not, bobo manages to prove every day that racism still exists in America.

by Spencer on 12/02/2008 02:46:49 PM EST

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But the numbers don't lie and they are going home now in waves.

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 09:24:19 PM EST

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The only time i seen any leave our town, Is when Jack's link's is raided, Then 30 or 40 go away.

Where are some link's that say they are going home in wave's, So i can read up on this.

thank you if you have some for me z1p101.

by tuna on 12/02/2008 06:56:38 AM EST

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Ken's entire extended family used to live in Oklahoma, but when the Okies got wind of Ken boasting about his oh-so-very Mexican heritage on an Internet message board, the whole state suddenly became rather inhospitable.

Oops, that's personal information I guess.

by OneHitKill on 12/02/2008 12:58:30 PM EST

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here you go.

Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers

llegal immigrants are returning home to Mexico in numbers not seen for decades — and the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive.

Immigrant tide may be turning; Illegal aliens seem fewer as jobs dry up, law cracks down

 

 Courtesy of MRFred just a few days ago.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 06:00:49 PM EST

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The only measurable trend is a slowing rate of net immigration into the U.S.

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 08:01:00 AM EST

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Ken "I can't read" TX.

I mean just look at this, he makes this statement

"The only measurable trend is a slowing rate of net immigration into the U.S."

However, the title of the article he linked to is this

Tennessee: (Illegal Alien) Families returning home

He doesn't even bother to read the damn title. However, I give him the benefit of the doubt and start reading and this is what I find.

"The economic slowdown, high unemployment rates and tighter immigration laws are pushing local immigrant families to head back to their native countries, local residents and community organizations say."

At least he is getting better because usually he links to something from 1995 on top of it all.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 07:09:08 PM EST

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I made only one statement, which included the link.

"The only measurable trend is a slowing rate of net immigration into the U.S."

Now, read the money quote from the article:

"From 2000 to early 2005, the unauthorized immigrant population grew by an annual net average of about 525,000, increasing to 11.1 million. From 2005 to 2008, annual growth has averaged only 275,000, the report states."
 
Now, compare the quote with my statement.

Listen to me Zippy. Besides being a fucking abject loser, you are also mentally retarded. You are not worth a warm bucket of piss. You are a waste of space and oxygen.

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 07:24:11 PM EST

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Ken said

"The only measurable trend is a slowing rate of net immigration into the U.S."

Then links to some some article talking about how illegal immigrants are going home. Alight well whatever.

Ken  "reading and math wiz" TX needs "official" trend measurements so here they are.

"The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries. "

11% population drop over the last year. I don't know about you but that looks like a measurable trend to me.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 07:42:31 PM EST

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So 11 percent of illegal Bulgarians went home - or 11 percent of illegal Swedes or Morracans went home - I can tell you that numbers are so easily manipulated that they can be made to say anything the editor wants - I can most assuredly tell you that the illegal Mexicans are still coming in at full force, and once Welfare Wonderboy Obama gets in, that number will go up - I'm glad Obama has 30000 dollars to spend on his wife, but if you'll excuse me, I have to go to my second job to pay taxes for more illegal Mexicans to get free healthcare from... :(

by bobo1 on 12/02/2008 08:52:17 PM EST

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More from the article...

"The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they'll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.

"Those numbers have increased percentage-wise tremendously," said Enrique Hubbard, the Mexican consul general in Dallas. "In fact, it's almost 100 percent more this year than it was the previous two years.""

Now explain to me why Swedes or Moroccans would go the Mexican consulate general in Dallas looking for paperwork to go home to Mexico?

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 09:04:12 PM EST

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Don't go to their fucking consulate offices because there are no "papers" to fix or resolve a damn ILLEGAL entry into this or any other country - its real easy to cross back into Mexico if that's where you belong - you don't need any damn paperwork to do so!!!! Your story or source is either total leftist propoganda or just very poorly researched and written - Zippy, please try to use some damn common in dealing with this issue! :(

by bobo1 on 12/02/2008 09:09:56 PM EST

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They report you decide

"Your story or source is either total leftist propoganda or just very poorly researched and written"

My story source is Fox News. They are using real government numbers.

A lot of these people have not been home in 5, 10, 15 or 20 years and they have no idea what to do.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 09:15:27 PM EST

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Fox News and the Government??? You believe anything THEY tell you - you're joking, right? Oh Zippy, you really need to get out more, man! Come down here to AZ and I'll be happy to show you all of your declining illegal population - there's a rental house about 9 down from me that houses at least 30 of em - I'm sure they're just resting before they go home to Mexico... What a fucking joke, Zip... :(

by bobo1 on 12/02/2008 09:23:17 PM EST

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or the neck of the funnel.

As Ken's article explains, the outlining areas of the country that had large amounts of illegal immigrants are seeing those numbers dry up. They are actually noticing the change.

Like the fall of the old Soviet Empire, these things tend to implode instead of explode. Meaning the edges crack away first.

If you can find someone somewhere that can show us actual numbers showing the number of illegal immigrants is increasing then go ahead. Numbers are magical that way, you can't spin them.

Until then, you can believe the people in NC and TN who are telling you that that the number of illegal aliens they are seeing on a daily basis are dropping very quickly.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 09:39:35 PM EST

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Zippy doesn’t know what the term means, but all of his posts are loaded with anecdotal evidence. Here’s an example:
“Until then, you can believe the people in NC and TN who are telling you that that the number of illegal aliens they are seeing on a daily basis are dropping very quickly.”

But then he asks for hard evidence.
“If you can find someone somewhere that can show us actual numbers showing the number of illegal immigrants is increasing then go ahead. Numbers are magical that way, you can't spin them.”

But the hard evidence has already been provided.
"From 2000 to early 2005, the unauthorized immigrant population grew by an annual net average of about 525,000, increasing to 11.1 million. From 2005 to 2008, annual growth has averaged only 275,000, the report states."

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 10:06:34 PM EST

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could you possibly be this stupid?

"But the hard evidence has already been provided."

The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries. " 

It overall illegal immigrant population in the US has dropped 11% over the last year.

Do you really enjoy these ass kickings? Is this some kind of weird S&M thing for you? because I don't get it.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 10:15:04 PM EST

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Ken's report has been updated.

The report that Ken refers to is the report by the a report by the Pew Hispanic Center.

Let's see what they are saying now, shall we?

"In a study released this fall, the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington estimated the U.S. illegal immigrant population at 11.9 million in March 2008, down from 12.4 million in 2007."

You were saying?

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 10:44:36 PM EST

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Here is my original assertion.

"The only measurable trend is a slowing rate of net immigration into the U.S."

Since you quoted the Pew Hispanic Center research, let’s go to the original source. Here is a link to the data.

I will allow you to read the findings at your leisure.

“There were 11.9 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States in March 2008, according to new Pew Hispanic Center estimates. The size of the unauthorized population appears to have declined since 2007, but this finding is inconclusive because of the margin of error in these estimates.
However, it is clear from the estimates that the unauthorized immigrant population grew more slowly in the period from 2005 to 2008 than it did earlier in the decade.
The Pew Hispanic Center also estimates that inflows of unauthorized immigrants averaged 800,000 a year from 2000 to 2004, but fell to 500,000 a year from 2005 to 2008 with a decreasing year-to-year trend. By contrast, the inflow of legal permanent residents has been relatively steady this decade.
Although the growth of the unauthorized population has slackened, its size has increased by more than 40% since 2000, when it was 8.4 million. In 2005, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated there were 11.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. The most recent estimate, 11.9 million, indicates that unauthorized immigrants make up 4% of the U.S. population.”

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 11:21:28 PM EST

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My original post (you though I was going to say doe, didn't you?).

This is why you call it a cherry on top because the base of the argument was sound.

"The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries. " 

Still looks awfully measurable to me. What do you think?

by z1p101 on 12/03/2008 03:07:30 PM EST

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Zippy lives outside Syracuse, NY. It is possible he has never seen a Mexican before.

You can be certain he has never witnessed how wide open and porous the Mexican border is.

Liberals don't care if the country is over-run by Mexican drug dealers and kidnappers.

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 09:41:14 PM EST

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Maybe Zippy has not only been to Texas but Mexico also.

"Liberals don't care if the country is over-run by Mexican drug dealers and kidnappers."

I believe you are more liberal then I could ever be Mr Big Government spending.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 09:49:29 PM EST

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cause if he had ever seen a Mexican he surely would understand they are dirty scum who need to be removed from our country.

At least I guess that's what you were getting at.  I don't see how else it would be relevant to the conversation.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 12/02/2008 11:26:06 PM EST

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Do you have Mexican ancestry?

I do.

"At least I guess that's what you were getting at."

What I'm getting at is that illegal aliens are over-running the country, and liberals are perfectly agreeable, because they see illegal alien families as future Democrat voters.


That's the point of this entire thread, which I originated. 

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 11:35:55 PM EST

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Preach on Brother!!! That's exactly what's going on here in AZ anyway... I always tell my students when the subject of immigration comes up in class "If you want to know what happens when illegal immigration goes unchecked, just go talk to a Native American. Ask them how their culture and soceity held up? What's gonna change if they let a few white-men settle in their valley? etc..." The students get the point real quick... :)

by bobo1 on 12/03/2008 12:12:46 AM EST

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If that's how you feel, why did you bother voting for him?

[Fill in corny bobo response about how he can't wait to get his Obama welfare check.  And throw in a "DAMN JAPS!" for good measure.]

by Spencer on 12/03/2008 01:41:59 AM EST

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The Japs are a part of all of those illegals going home I think... Anyway, I have already applied for my Obama welfare check, but I don't think its coming - the lady at the office said I wasn't qualified because I actually have a job and they are counting on me to provide for everyone else, especially all these fucking illegals! When I asked her politely what would put me in the "qualifying" category, she just laughed in my face and told me "get back to work, Gringo!"... So much for change I can believe in - looks like the same old shit to me! :)

by bobo1 on 12/03/2008 08:25:58 AM EST

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He is also an expert on Napolitano and illegal immigration.

Unfortunately, he vehemently disagrees with me on the subject of border security. As a purist libertarian, he advocates open borders and a free market flow of human traffic. Actually, I think he just digs Latinas. That's Mexican chicks for you gringos.

That doesn't make me respect Twba any less. It just means we need to get the gang together to go chasing some azzz in Phoenix. 

by KenTX on 12/01/2008 09:15:35 PM EST

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aren't you servicing him later?

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 09:25:41 PM EST

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I think I still owe you a pitcher of beer...

As for Janet I'm honestly not sure how she'll do.  I was thinking she was better suited for Attorney General, but I think Obama was a bit hesitant to appoint another dikey Jannet to that position.  My wife has meet her a number of times and seems to like her, but so far I haven't seen her do much in the year and a half we've been down here other than push through PhotoRadar and balance the budget (those god damn cameras are now all over the fucking place!  Everyone is now driving like they're from Sun City!).

by alphasigmookie on 12/02/2008 01:05:24 AM EST

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yougottabeshittenme!

I've never even heard of this before?

I could see this kind of 1984 stuff in Canada, or maybe even Vermont, but ARIZONA??

Don't you guys have a referendum process to outlaw this?

Where is Zippy and his Fourth Amendment Crusade? 

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 01:55:18 AM EST

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They are having a lot of issues with keeping the damn things operational because people keep spray painting over them or outright walking up and smashing them - they are now installing cameras to watch the cameras!!! It is truly Orwellian in many fasions! But the people here still drive like maniacs - even cameras can't take the "Zonie" out of the idiots here!!! :)

by bobo1 on 12/02/2008 08:58:03 AM EST

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In my opinion, anyone who destroys a speed monitoring camera is a patriot, at least with respect to the Fourth Amendment.

However, I want to emphasize that I advocate changing the law, not breaking the law.

I drive over 70,000 miles per year, and I don't remember the last time I received a ticket for speeding. But if I received a speeding ticket in the mail from the City of Phoenix, I would flip out.

You watch, the next thing out of the Obama Administration will be a return to the days of the 55 MPH mandatory interstate speeds.

by KenTX on 12/02/2008 04:12:09 PM EST

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yep, the Janet-Cams will be her most enduring legacy to AZ.  Of course there is a good deal of oposition in the state legislature so we may see some changes over the next year or two.  It may also come to a vote, but i'm not sure that it will get voted down...remember we still have a ton of old people who don't give a shit about big brother and already drive slow as hell anyway

by alphasigmookie on 12/02/2008 12:46:14 PM EST

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This is the first I'm hearing about. Doesn't make me happy thinking about it.

The upside is that they tried this crap in Jersey about 12 years ago. The courts shut it down within 6 months.

However, these are strange days my friend.

by z1p101 on 12/02/2008 07:23:59 PM EST

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Fear not.  I'm sure Twba will have plenty to say once this thread is three weeks old.

by Spencer on 12/03/2008 02:32:48 AM EST

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No!! Wow!?!?

They are leaving and without your (snicker) 60 mile an hour trucks blocking their path so it is a lot easer for them to do so.

Need to see a graph? (Hint, the flat line means no change).

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 08:53:12 PM EST

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You're gonna have a really tough time with this one, Ken.

She has also vetoed a bill requiring voter ID

What else was in it?

vetoed a bill requiring local law enforcement to enforce immigration law

Because?

and later vetoed another proposal to allow local sheriffs to enforce immigration law.

Same thing.  Ask yourself why she did this.  Maybe it's because THEY SHOULDN'T BE?

She also vetoed a bill prohibiting Mexican consul ID cards that critics say are prone to fraud,

What does this actually mean?

vetoed an English-only bill,

Good.  It's a bad idea.  We should all be bilingual or more.

and vetoed a bill to criminalize illegal immigration.

LOLWUT?

by jarett on 12/01/2008 08:29:01 PM EST


I don't have to go to Rush Limbaugh and matt drudge for the latest conservative tripe. Bobo and Ken are happy to host it on the young turks all day long!

by hazmat on 12/01/2008 08:29:56 PM EST


Dave has seemingly gone into facist mode and has eliminated my latest post. I want to thank him for proving that Liberals do not know how to hold their power in check - demonstrated by the fact that Obama hasn't even taken office yet and the censorship of opposing viewpoints has begun...I also want to thank Twba for cititng the article's author for me, since I didn't know who it was... :)

by bobo1 on 12/01/2008 08:49:18 PM EST

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I call it coming to his senses..

Everyone knows if you disagree with the incoming Democratic administration you will be labeled a traitor.

The fact that you are posting in a thread started by a right wing nut bag  would indicate that TYT are indeed ok with opposing view points wouldn't it?

Your bitching about having a post deleted yet you want me banned .. is well..  satisfying.

:)

by Chinese Democracy on 12/01/2008 09:19:59 PM EST

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

by MRFred on 12/02/2008 08:23:56 AM EST

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then you should kill yourself.  But seriously folks, here's a link to the article that he copied and pasted.  It's all the rage with conservative morons who've learned how to use e-mail.  "My good friend [blank] sent this to me, so it must be true!" 

Go team racism!

by Spencer on 12/02/2008 02:52:55 PM EST

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All you need to do is serve up facts that counter my conservative position.

I'm asserting the Napolitano has a weak record on border protection, and that she will make the situation worse, not better.

You are invited to offer a dissenting point of view.

Free speech continues to reign at TYT (unless Dave finds it objectionable).

by KenTX on 12/01/2008 08:55:42 PM EST

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is her position on holding EMPLOYERS accountable for breaking the law. If she is in favor of enforcing the laws that are on the books and maybe even stiffening penalties, then she has embraced a free-market solution that I agree with. The only sensible way to deal with this problem is dry up the demand for labor. If however she wants to waste taxpayer money to build a fence, she's probably a conservative moron. A third possibility is neither, in which case I'm ready to hear (from her and BHO, not you) what she's proposing. She probably falls in the latter category, because hey, they're all corporate stooges after all.

by hazmat on 12/01/2008 09:42:17 PM EST

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All this is Ken-ese for "I miss Sarah Palin's legs."

by OneHitKill on 12/01/2008 08:33:03 PM EST


No!! Wow!?!?

You fail.

I believe someone around here already pointed out to you that illegal aliens are returning home in record numbers. 

And we didn't need the giant wall boondoggle that Republican's have been advocating for years. 

Imagine Republicans being wrong again. Sad, isn't it?

by z1p101 on 12/01/2008 08:40:43 PM EST


Why would anyone give a crap that a rush limbaugh right winger is upset about an Obama appointment?

Its  rhetorical question. Im not all that interested in the answer .

:)

by Chinese Democracy on 12/01/2008 09:28:50 PM EST


 That's all the neo-cons can or do ever come up with. 

I have 2 arguements to add here (one of which was already mentioned).

It is very possible that there was something in the proposed Bill that made her vote against it. All Bills have many points ... often key points are hidden within or blatantly included, but there are always reasons to question any Bill being voted on. An example would be McCain's election campaign arguement that Obama voted against Troop Funding, when in fact the reason he voted against the particular Bill is because the Bill lacked a "pull-out timeline". It was another open-ended blank cheque.

Another arguement to consider, is that while she may or may not have been that effective as a Republican ... maybe she will be very productive working for Democratic Policies which might have been in line with her thinking all along when it comes to the above mentioned issues.

The days of Right Wing Conservative Parties and their Ideology is coming to an end. Maybe not fast, but for certain.

by SnowTiger on 12/01/2008 09:30:02 PM EST


and that's why she would be perfect to open the borders to Mexican invaders.

Here's the quote.

by KenTX on 12/04/2008 06:18:06 AM EST


Ken

"and that's why she would be perfect to open the borders to Mexican invaders"

OK, if you say so????

by z1p101 on 12/05/2008 08:43:50 PM EST

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